“To me, the definition of who is a criminal versus who is an outlaw…these are all constructs that we have applied artificially and through these prisms of who we think are experts, who we think are just lay people, and through this prism of race and credibility…And so that to me is like really the crux of the story. These patients know so much more about cluster headaches than their doctors. They're saving each other's lives. And they walk into that hospital and their future in a lot of ways depends on what these people decide and what they do. And that to me is so fascinating and problematic. And it says so much, I think, about the current state of psychedelic legislation and policy. And there, I think, is where all the ethics are.”